The JMS Dilemma

on 01.28.2010

Joe Michael Stracynski’s 16-issue run on Thor, which recently ended and is likely to have a strong influence on the upcoming Thor movie, sucks. It is not a good Thor story, and no, its not even fit to hold the Walt Simonson run’s used underwear.  Before we get to that however, let me preface this a little bit.

I, for the most part, enjoy critically acclaimed comics. I love the recent Eisner award winning series like Brubaker’s Captain America and Fraction’s Invincible Iron Man. I loved Chew. I enjoyed Sandman, Ultimates, and Transmetropolitan, I even enjoyed JMS stuff like Supreme Power and his Amazing Spider-Man run- what I am trying to highlight here is that I consider myself a lover of comics, and, generally, if it is considered a critical success, I can see the comic for what it is and enjoy it. I am not getting on a soapbox and trying to talk about how screwed up everyone’s taste in comics here is. I am not one of those guys who go into the shop every week and complain about how superhero comics have gone to shit and how John Byrne and John Buscema need to come in and fix everything. 

That being said, JMS’s Thor run sucks butt. Worst of all, its status as a critical success is likely to influence the new Thor movie and screw everything up.

I consider Walt Simonson’s run on Thor to be one of the best single runs on a comic series of all time. Now, it is not for everyone. That being said, it is one of the best examples of pure fantasy in comics, of creating a world and a set of characters that absolutely blows the imagination. Simonson constantly reaches out and excites the reader. Asgard is a land of wonders and awe like no one is supposed to be able to possibly imagine - this was the mindset Lee and Kirby took creating it, and Simonson nearly perfects it. His characters are fleshed out and believable, but never at the expense of the action and splendor. There are some specifics he also follows - he recognizes that Thor himself is not a dynamic character, but instead more of adventuring hero archetype similar to Hercules. Thor is not entertaining because of his character complexities, he’s entertaining because he is everything we are not - a God with no obligations to daily life as we know it, with unimaginable power. Simonson embraced this whole-heartedly, as Thor was the hero, the adventurer, while characters like Balder carried the depth and pathos. Without dwelling too much longer on this, Simonson absolutely nailed what makes a Thor comic fun.

Right outside of the gate, we knew that JMS was not going to follow this model, and, honestly, that is not a bad thing. Writers should establish their own niche. For the most part, in the beginning, I think he was doing a good job at that. This was a Thor who had been through more, and was less whimsical. With the exception of an absolutely terrible issue #3 (more on that later,) JMS had a blend of character establishment, action (although it was very subdued and not nearly plentiful) and pathos to the character that more or less worked. 

It was not fantastic stuff - the first 6 issues were excessively decompressed and not much really happened - but it was a decent start. It’s hard to compare a modern comic to one from 20 years ago, as decompression has become such a necessity to the trade market, essentially eliminating any chance of the rapid-fire pace of the Simonson stuff, but, regardless, this was an incredibly slow start by any standard. Thor really only cuts loose and is challenged physically once, in issue 5 by the Destroyer (in fact, in the 16 issue run, Thor is only really brought to his limit twice including this moment.) Uh, really? I am reading Thor, not Daredevil, right? It’s like watching Conan the Barbarian, but the extent of the story is up to the temple scene, and the rest is Conan sitting around contemplating what to do. Honestly, it’s kinda boring. And again, in six issues, where do we get? To the status quo. Isn’t that something you try to establish a little earlier?

As for issue 3, it is a great representation of JMS’s weakness as a writer - his ego. He cannot get his politics out of his work. Iron Man, here, is such a ridiculous mockery of the character that I cringe reading it. I remember people got pissed when Thor was portrayed kind of dumb in Loeb’s Hulk, but Iron Man, in this instance, is much worse. He plops down, tells Thor to pack his shit and come with him, and basically threatens Thor to his face. This is the same fascist, money-mongering corporate villain that JMS wrote him as in Civil War, and it is so ridiculous and out of character that it ruins the issue. The whole fight scene seems like some kind of left-wing power trip, with Thor kicking the tar out of right-wing corporate America. I really didn’t need to read that, although I will admit Coipel’s art is gorgeous in it. 

After the first six issues, we get a two-issue arc with Marko Djurdjevic on art, and, honestly, it’s not bad. We learn the origin of Odin and develop Thor and Odin’s connection a little. We also get a fair amount of story, although, again, little on the action department (pretty much two pages per issue) and JMS characterization of Surtur, the end-all-be-all badass, is just a grunting orc with no discernable personality beyond "evil". Odin even fails to convey the majesty and stature that he should, as the fight is really little more then a scene from Lord of the Rings of some guy killing an orc. Again, JMS’s scaling back of the scale of Thor drains the excitement, robbing Thor of one of its intrinsic qualities as a comic. Regardless, it’s an ok little arc. 

From then on, the suckitude begins, and it begins hard. Issues 9 and 10 focus on Loki and Balder’s relationship, which is, frankly, ridiculous. I understand not being a slave to continuity, but seriously, Balder and Loki? Balder, the guy who chopped off Loki’s head in the Simonson run, the guy who was KILLED by Loki, the guy who, out of everyone, has ALWAYS seen through Loki’s lies? Now he is listening to and trusting him? Bwuh? Weird continuity gaff aside, little happens besides a lot of talking and Balder discovering he’s Thor’s half brother. They kill a troll, though. I guess that’s cool. If you’re wondering what Thor is doing, he is sitting in a chair. In fact, in issue 9, all we see of him is his feet, the start of a frustrating trend of ignoring Thor that gets steadily worse until the end of the series. Regardless, these two issues just bored me. So little was happening, and we hadn’t seen Thor do anything cool since fighting the Destroyer for three pages in issue 5. 

Issue 11 was mainly a Captain America tribute issue, as well as Loki continuing his games. Not a terrible issue, but kinda irrelevant and, AGAIN, very light on any kind of excitement. Issue 12 is actually a fantastic Loki-centered issue, probably the best of the whole run, although, again, no Thor to be seen. Regardless, it’s an excellent issue.

Finally we make it to 600. It is, FINALLY, what I was waiting for - a knockdown, drag-out fight. It is brutal, beautifully drawn, and damn satisfying. The story implications are a little flimsy (Loki can hex Bor? Really?) As everyone continues to be a little dumb around Loki, but at least it’s satisfying. That feeling does not return.

The last 4 issues of the run are absolute shit, for one pure reason: they are so fucking boring. Issue 601 - Thor sits around with his hammer. We see him for one page. 602 - Thor frees Sif. We see him for 1 or 2 pages. 603 - Thor stands around with Sif. We see him for 1 page. Giant-Size finale - We see Thor for 1 page. WHAT THE FUCK DUDE? Sure, other stuff is going on, but isn’t JMS kinda missing the boat here? Early in the run, Thor didn’t do much, but at least he was in the book. Now, in the last few issues, JMS pet character, William, some redneck hick from Oklahoma, takes the spotlight. His valiant contribution? Telling Balder Loki is up to no good. Yeah, big surprise dumb dumb. And Loki’s insidious plot? To kill Don Blake with Doom-bots. Seriously, 16 issues of buildup and that’s IT? Doom-bots? Am I supposed to feel any kind of suspense? And the big payoff: Don Blake has a limp again! Did anybody give a SHIT that Don Blake didn’t have a limp? Does anybody care about this at all? Also, what was up with the Sif body swap? Why did Loki even do that? Did he really just want boobs for a while? It seems to serve no purpose in the end.

Now, I understand JMS was cut short on his run. Regardless, the ending was shit. If he had 6 more issues to tell it, I still think it’d suck, we’d just see a lot more Thor sitting around and maybe a longer Doom-bots getting wasted scene. But seriously, this is the culmination of JMS "legendary" run, one on par with Simonson? Are you kidding? In the end, this wasn’t even a Thor book. 

So, I’ve just spent way to long talking about why I hate this run. Why does this even matter, besides me challenging the popular opinion? It’s because I have this dreaded feeling that it’s going to influence the movie. I am really worried that Branaugh is going to take the subdued angle, with the action being really LOTR-ish and not having these guys cut loose. I doubt were going to see Thor throw his hammer through a frost giant, or gut the Midgard serpent, or go toe-to-toe with Surtur. Honestly, that is robbing one of the things that make Thor cool. 

I will say this: I can’t wait for Fractions Thor. I loved Ages of Thunder, and can’t wait to see how he handles the ongoing proper.

25 Comments


 
2010-01-28 17:01:31
SupaScoot
I do hope we get to see more classic Thor as well, I want Mjolnir ripping through frost giants, but I do worry that they will try to bring in some more recent storylines to help fit in with the new Marvel movie universe

 
2010-01-28 19:01:34
Dr. Kronner
I would love to comment on this, but I haven't read the run of THOR you're referring to...But good job.

 
2010-01-28 19:01:53
Toni Smith
I just want to make sure that the author gets credit. The guy who wrote this is a friend of mine named David Anderson and I submitted this on his behalf because the dude knows his shit when it comes to comics, he's also an infrequent presence on these boards as DKA897, I hope I can get him for some more contributions.

 
2010-01-28 20:01:32
DKA897@comcast.net
I spent an entire paragraph explaining that this wasn't new school vs. old school. How about you defend your position or attack mine rather than dismissing it?

 
2010-01-28 20:01:42
Fisticufflinks
Um ... JMS run on Thor Was/Is amazing! FUCK THIS! I'm an old school FAN The JACK KIRBY/Stan Lee THOR is great! But I don't discriminate on New School stuff just because it's different than Old School stuff. JMS is amazing and I won't back down on This statement. The New Thor Film will Kick-Ass ... Mock my words and I will happily eat them if I'm wrong. But I won't be!

 
2010-01-28 20:01:51
theHeadCase
I mostly agree with this but I gotta admit, I did quite enjoy that scene where Thor kicked Iron Man's ass. Even if the setup made no sense, we did get to see Thor let loose.

 
2010-01-28 21:01:38
grimsmile
One of my best friends and a die hard reader for years, decided it was time to give up comics after being so disenchanted with this specific story arc. We both expected more from a writer of JMS' caliber. I pray that Branaugh is being influenced more by the Simonson days of Thor, but I fear your worries may come to pass.

 
2010-01-28 21:01:51
DKA897@comcast.net
Wow, I am surprised most people agree with me so far. I thought all the Eisner awards and acclaim this was getting indicated that I was in a smaller minority than it appears I may be in.

 
2010-01-29 13:01:24
Fisticufflinks
Because it's your opinion. ... And there is no way to prove opinion wrong. That's why I completely dismissed it.

 
2010-01-29 14:01:32
coyotegospel
I for one couldn't see anything wrong with the JMS run but neither anything special to warrant all the critical acclaim. It felt like him trying to revert Thor's world to a stable status-quo in time for Siege and whatnot and for all intents and purposes it worked out fine. But I will never put it up there with other great runs such as Simonson's.

 
2010-01-30 14:01:14
Toni Smith
Fist, could you explain to me what was so great about JMS' Thor run? I'm in the same boat as Dave, when I read Thor I want monsters getting hammer fucked in the butt, if I want brooding I'll go watch Spider-man 2 again.

 
2010-01-31 12:01:38
Fisticufflinks
I understand why you don't like it then, Toni. (and Dave for that matter.) If all you want is action, read a Hulk book or go read some Zombie rag. I wanted a well written story about a Man's(Gods) inner struggle. I love the stuff with and about Odin. I love the way the art was drawn by Coipel. I just felt that the whole world was believable and I thoroughly enjoyed reading the full course. However, I too don't think that it should have gotten the praise it got, but I'm happy for JMS that i

 
2010-01-31 12:01:38
Fisticufflinks
it did.

 
2010-01-31 21:01:26
DKA897@comcast.net
Uh, a Hulk book should be the definition of a book about inner struggle. And The Walking Dead is one of the best character pieces on the shelves today. So...

 
2010-01-31 21:01:38
Toni Smith
The problem with this concept of Thor is that it's trying to make Thor legitimate to the kinds of people who don't read the vein of comics that Thor usually resides in. This is a problem because it makes the advancements that comics fans have made for main stream recognition circular, once we show the world the grand scope of stories comics can tell, they begin to be narrowed down to certain paramaters that are. . .

 
2010-01-31 21:01:38
Toni Smith
more successful than others.

 
2010-01-31 21:01:47
Toni Smith
Thor is the Norse fucking god of thunder, they don't brood or ponderm they have but two speeds:Fuck and Kill. The Hulk is an inner struggle book, having Thor lament being a god takes away his brilliance as an action book and lessens him to an erstatz Superman.

 
2010-02-01 07:02:59
Fisticufflinks
Did I say "the Walking Dead?" I said "some Zombie Rag"! ...I know the Hulk is an "inner struggle" book, but not really. The Idea might be that, but mostly it's just fuckoff action! in the key of rage. It's a disguise. ... and Toni it's not a problem making Thor "legit" unless you are narrow minded about it. ... Your concept of Thor is vastly different from where I read him.

 
2010-02-01 12:02:14
Toni Smith
It is a problem seeking legitimacy because you're trying to please an audience that already doesn't accept what makes it entertaining. It's like having a meek, pacifistic boy try to join the football team to please dear old dad; he doesn't like what he's doing, but he's trying to cater to someone else. JMS' Thor has Thor go into a route that works for characters like Daredevil or Yorrick Brown, placing Thor in this mold is a way to whore him out to those kinds of readers. This ends up being narr

 
2010-02-01 12:02:34
DKA897@comcast.net
Fist, have you read Peter Davids Hulk? Bruce Jones? Sure, Loeb is going in that direction, but traditionally the Hulk title proper is not a balls out action book. And I agree with Toni entirely: they're trying to mold Thor into something that pleases people that normally wouldn't enjoy Thor.

 
2010-02-01 14:02:03
yaguara
First, I am not a big Thor fan and I did not read the run involved in the discussion so I am not speaking from any position of authority. Really I am just sort of asking some questions of both sides of the discussion. First question/comment: I am not opposed to a character evolving to draw in a wider audience provided the character and the book does not change so fundamentally that it alienates its established fan base. It sounds like Toni and David's opinion is that this is what happened her

 
2010-02-01 14:02:41
Fisticufflinks
I'm fine with the Thor trajectory ... and you should be too if you don't want to see the book completely slip away. How's it go? "The times ... they are a changin'." If they don't vary the book, that might just happen. With the recent flux in the marketplace openning up certain books to access more readers is the only smart way to do business. I'm fully behind it. I like both THOR's. Maybe it's time to let it move in a different direction.

 
2010-02-01 14:02:47
yaguara
That is just selfishness on the part of the writer. If you don't want to write for the character the book is supposed to be about then don't take the gig in the first place. I can see a viewpoint character being some other character and we see the story of the main character through the viewpoint character's eyes but it still needs to be about the title character and it doesn't sound like that is the case here. Am I missing something?

 
2010-02-01 14:02:52
Fisticufflinks
yaguara i'm not of the opinion that a characters name makes a whole book belong to that one character. Sure it's titled Thor ... lot's of books have stories with very few scenes of the of the lead character. This isn't exclusive to Thor, nor is it new to the industry.

 
2010-02-01 14:02:56
yaguara
what happened here but does that have to be the case could this new direction from Thor have been written to still include what made the book great for the established fans? What should JMS have done to do so. Second question/comment: One point that was raised that really bugs me and I didn't see Fist address is the absence of Thor in his own book. Issue #9 only shows his feet? Really? I understand the need to develop other characters but not at the expense of the title character. That is

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