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2010-01-28 17:01:34
SupaScoot
Say what you will, But i firmly believe that Efron can get past the HSM stigma and excel in some good roles... good roles like the upcoming Spider-Man reboot... And Bendis is totally on board with Efron in Fire, he talks about it on twitter and he is the one getting this project rolling, so I dont think he's too upset over the casting or worried his project will be raped, much like the ultimate universe was... Zac Efron For Spider-Man!!
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2010-01-28 17:01:50
Dr. Kronner
ahahahaha! I wish I would've written this.
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2010-01-28 20:01:00
mingo
Although I don't share his enthusiasm, I agree with SupaScoot. Any actor is measured by their ability to play different roles. If the creator's on board with the cast I'll give it a shot.
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2010-01-28 20:01:19
Fisticufflinks
I LOVE Fire ... the "F-RON" and Bendis TOGETHER! = MONEY!
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2010-01-28 20:01:40
bubaroni
in that photo, is that glitter on his face?
he looks as manly as my niece.
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2010-01-28 20:01:45
Fisticufflinks
well ... if this would effect him being elligable for Spidey then I nominate either Johnny Simmons or Kyle Gallner to be Petey and the Spide!
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2010-01-29 07:01:09
bubaroni
hey, he might be able to act pretty well, but this movie hes going to do isn't fucking newsies. to pull it off he's going to have to be gritty and ruthless or its going to blow ass, maybe when hes 28 and doesn't have dancing shoes then he can do something like this.
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2010-01-29 07:01:35
Fisticufflinks
It's always apparent when a persons own personal agenda comes into place. Things happen at that point where they paint a portrait of a person to fit their own view of that person. This is not a flattering photo of the kid at all. I agree with that. But he is genuine and funny and can act very well.
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2010-01-29 13:01:04
Fisticufflinks
That's not popular opinion. But you are allowed to feel that way.
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2010-01-29 13:01:14
Fisticufflinks
Well, that's the exact argument used against Hugh Jackman when he was announced as Wolverine.
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2010-01-29 13:01:16
SupaScoot
Zac Efron For Spider-Man!
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2010-01-29 13:01:23
Fisticufflinks
I'm a huge fan of Bendis' work in this vein, by the way. I have Goldfish, Fire, Jinx, and Torso ... so don't think I don't know what I'm talking about.
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2010-01-29 13:01:31
Norman
And Hugh Jackman is fucking terrible.
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2010-01-29 16:01:53
bubaroni
hugh jackman is god fucking awful, also so far your opinion is the minority.
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2010-01-29 17:01:56
mingo
@bubaroni: As for the dancing shoes; Christopher Walken was a dance student and has been in Broadway musicals. I'm looking forward to seeing Efron in this role. This movie could be a turning point in his career.
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2010-01-29 18:01:13
Toni Smith
Clint Eastwood's breakthrough role as Rowdy Yates in Rawhide was a singing cowboy, are you saying because Mr. Eastwood is a fucking wuss? Nobody is manlier than Clint Eastwood!
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2010-01-29 19:01:00
bubaroni
THE ONLY person you could even compare zac efron to is god damn christian bale, he was in newsies a disney movie correct me if i'm wrong, he did alright, and now hes batman. what he do as batman, FUCKING SUCK, that what he does on a regular occasion.(i said it and i'm even a bale fan, he's a horrendous batman, and in all of his roles he plays off someone else so he's not even a good stand alone.)
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2010-01-29 19:01:00
bubaroni
he's got god damn glitter on his face, get him the fuck outta here.
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2010-01-29 19:01:00
Dr. Kronner
The point is he paid his due with mediocre action movies and proved himself before he could have a real one. Sorry ladies, but 17 AGAIN doesn't count.
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2010-01-29 19:01:02
bubaroni
oh and i didn't even think about the having to do a bunch of trash thing, because everything bale has ever been in he's given a 100% so you couldn't even tell, go watch anything he's been in you can tell he's workin for his money no matter how silly the role is.
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2010-01-29 19:01:05
bubaroni
@mingo broadway isn't fucking some disney processed trash, if i'm not mistaken i think matt broderick even preformed on broadway and he's a great actor. @toni clint eastwood wasn't fab material for middle age houswives who wish they were 13 years old again.
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2010-01-29 19:01:06
bubaroni
reign of fire is fucking trash, and no he didn't get created by disney but he starred in a disney musical, hey fuck i aint gonna argue with you on the shit we agree on. but reign of fire? really? really really?
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2010-01-29 19:01:20
Dr. Kronner
word.
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2010-01-29 19:01:26
Dr. Kronner
The movie sucked, but the premise is sweet. And as far as Disney, EMPIRE OF THE SUN was a way bigger movie than NEWSIES...
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2010-01-29 19:01:28
Dr. Kronner
Bale is a GREAT BATMAN. But he didn't get handed the role, yeah he was a newsie, which is nowhere near as gay as HSM, but before Batman he also did AMERICAN PSYCHO, killed dragons, and was in Equilibrium. Only THEN was he handed a major franchise, 13 years later. OH, AND, before Newsies he was in EMPIRE OF THE SUN. So Disney didn't create him like Efron.
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2010-01-29 19:01:33
bubaroni
my niece made me watch HSM with her and somehow i watched 17 again, i swear to god its like watching topher grace play/butcher eddie brock. he's like the same exact clown in both roles, sorta like how brock was the same exact character from that 70's show.
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2010-01-29 19:01:35
bubaroni
hey my memory is a tad bit hazy but didn't have the lead in newsies? thats why i even mentioned it, for zacky pooh i don't even know if he was the god damn lead in HSM.
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2010-01-29 19:01:37
Dr. Kronner
If I hear another comparison of the F-Ron to either Walken or Eastwood (maybe my 2 favorite actors) I'm gonna shoot a puppy. When F-Ron wins an Oscar or does something that proves he is worthwhile I'll concider handing him a role this colossal. Eastwood was a war vet, DO NOT EVER COMPARE HIM TO ZACK EFRON. You guys disgust me.
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2010-01-29 19:01:49
bubaroni
american psycho was the only movie he really stood alone that to me that was great, i mean in Equilibrium it aint bales acting you remember its all that crazy ass gunfu shit. thats like watching hardboiled and fucking remembering "chow yun fats awesome acting ability" and not the badass action scenes.
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2010-01-29 20:01:21
SupaScoot
All right then, Doc, im interested... Who in your mind, playing a highschool-ish role, has proven themselves? If Efron hasn't then who would you suggest?
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2010-01-29 20:01:25
bubaroni
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0947338/ that guy.
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2010-01-29 20:01:42
atheistgirl
Zac Efron could be lots of things, but not Spider-Man. Please, not Spider-Man!
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2010-01-30 08:01:49
manoftomorrow
@bubaroni He doesn't have glitter on his face. Dude is a vampire, isn't that how this generation's vampires look?All glittery and stuff?
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2010-01-30 10:01:58
Dr. Kronner
Personally I like Kyle Gallner. He was a serial killer on both VERONICA MARS and THE SHIELD. He also played Impulse on SMALLVILLE. But let me just get something clear, I'm not against casting an unknown, they start at 0. The only reason I'm against 'F-Ron' is he has to work his way back up to 0. I feel his previous roles preclude him, but I'm not a casting agent...
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2010-01-30 11:01:08
MUNKRAWK
Kyle Gallner does not have a Peter Parker face. He would not fit at all in a Spidey flick. Supascoot, you got a lil thing for this Efron character? There is no Efron way he'll be Spidey.
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2010-01-30 12:01:17
SupaScoot
Hey MUNK, good to hear from ya and great to see your avatars...I just think thats it too early to typecast Efron for his kiddie flicks that he did with Disney. Everybody starts somewhere, and i think that Zac can move past that, and out of the numerous actors out there, no one fits enough in that role for me...no one ever will, but Efron is closest in my opinion
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2010-01-30 12:01:22
SupaScoot
And we'll see about Efron being Spidey, I have a feeling, and from what I know of hollywood, his name has ALREADY come up
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2010-01-30 12:01:41
SupaScoot
guaranteed
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2010-01-30 14:01:43
MUNKRAWK
I was just being funny, or trying to at least. Honestly, I'm not too familiar with Zacs work so I can't really make the call if he would be able to pull it off or not. I just hope that they do this movie justice. I just re watched the first Spider-Man last night and it really is a terrible movie. Spider-Man is my favorite comic book hero, and I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.
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2010-01-30 15:01:29
bubaroni
oh and how did i get off topic? i'm not even talking about this role anymore, really, really really really really really, you're going to look at me with a straight face and say zac efron looks like action movie star material? really really really really? if so, then may i direct you to the nearest store to buy a pair of lady pants?
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2010-01-30 15:01:42
bubaroni
yeah because nothing says geeky out of place genius like fap material for middle aged housewives.
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2010-01-30 18:01:46
Peter Parker
Holy Tits Batman!
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2010-01-30 23:01:07
MUNKRAWK
The scene when Goblin attacks, pieces of the building are falling forever and every single time there are people scattering from the debris. It's like they used the same shot of people running over and over. *BORF*
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2010-01-30 23:01:16
MUNKRAWK
There are so many things wrong with the Spider-Man movies. The first movie, all of those crazy flips in the hallway in front of the students. The whole scene while visiting the spider lab. Flash Thompson was a horrible choice. Green Goblins instant insanity. Should have been gradual. I have seen the movie like 20 times and then took a long break, after seeing it again last night I found myself hating it. Not to mention the eyes on Spidey were way too small. Fawk I'm stoked for a reboot.
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2010-01-30 23:01:47
MUNKRAWK
not to mention the look of Gobby, Stupid looking suit and helmet. I can go on and on about this. I'm just glad Raimis reign of terror is over.
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2010-01-31 10:01:32
Fisticufflinks
I agree with everything you said about Spider-Man, MUNK. Willam Defoe would have looked cooler as Green Goblin if they'd have just painted his skin Green and put him in a purple Santa's Elf costume. Dude looks scary enough already.
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2010-01-31 18:01:31
Fisticufflinks
Also, everyone seems to be forgetting how great the "F-Ron" was in ME AND ORSON WELLS as well. So, there is no denying that he can pull this off. He's skilled and IDC about this "put in his time" - "paid his dues" mentallity.
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2010-01-31 21:01:08
bubaroni
no joke, while i was sitting at my worthless job doing nothing all day i ask random people this: "hey do you think zac efron would be a good action movie star?" most of the people laughed at me. to follow that up, who in the fucks going to go see this? i mean i won't, period, the only people i can think of going to see it are the housewives that use him as a masturbation aid, then when they notice its a, i don't know, an action film their going to leave, so that leaves no audience for him. even
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2010-01-31 21:01:47
bubaroni
if the movie is a success, which odds are it won't be, his major fan base IS OVER. if it is a good movie, then he still loses, because 14 year old girls don't go nuts over badass action movies, they go nuts over twilight.
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2010-02-01 01:02:06
SupaScoot
Your totally right, his major fan base might be over, which is exactly why hes trying new roles to distance himself from being typecast as a dancing preteen squirt machine... I think you all will be surprised when this movie comes out, and I will be here to enjoy it...especially when he gets cast as Spider-Man
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2010-02-01 07:02:29
Fisticufflinks
SupaScoot!
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2010-02-02 11:02:18
Dr. Kronner
After Lee Marvin and the other guys we had 'Rambo' syndrome, a new phase in action movies. Muscle bound actors like Schwarzenegger and Stalone took over for the more 'everyday' badasses like Charles Bronson, and a new era in film began. And it was still good, but the last 10-15 years, as Arnold and Sly got older no one took there place.
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2010-02-02 11:02:21
Dr. Kronner
The perfect example is the evolution of James Bond. Connery chain-smoked, drank all the time, and slapped women when need be. Moore, was like Connery-lite: Less smoking, less drinking, less slapping, more comedy. Then look at Brosnan, rarely drinks, never smokes, and can't slap a bitch. Bond needed his reboot.
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2010-02-02 11:02:22
Dr. Kronner
I'm re-posting what I said on the Spiderman board because I feel strongly about it...
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2010-02-02 11:02:23
Dr. Kronner
Where are the men in film anymore? I'm afraid that propping Effron up, along with the twilight kids, just makes it easier to kill good old fashion masculinity. Never again will we get another John Wayne, Steve McQueen, or Clint Eastwood. You know, action stars who were cast because they were real men.
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2010-02-02 11:02:41
Dr. Kronner
So now we get these shitty, mass produced little bitches as action heroes. I hate it. Where is our generation's Bogart? How come we don't have a Charlie Bronson? Guys who you would actually not want to fuck with, but could see yourself drinking with at the bar. War vets who smoke & drink scotch & drive muscle cars. Not Disney bi-products who travel with bodyguards to protect them from teenage girls.
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2010-02-02 11:02:43
Dr. Kronner
Bronson, Eastwood, Wayne, Marvin, all war vets. All of them legit hard-asses who were completely believable in their roles. Guys who didn't have assistants and would sooner punch you in your face than let you put glitter on theirs. I need a hero.
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2010-02-02 12:02:51
Fisticufflinks
The fact that you lump masculinity with chain-smoking, alcoholism, and woman beating is very worrisome. That is not masculinity.
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2010-02-02 13:02:37
Dr. Kronner
Oh please. No one is talking about alcoholism and beating women. I'm talking about drink Scotch instead of wine coolers and finding men to play men. I talking about preferring that my heroes vice of choice is cigs rather than E or some shit. What I find worrisome is what you choose to take out of all that.
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2010-02-02 13:02:42
Toni Smith
Kronner, as much as I agree with you, you're forgetting we're talking about Spider-Man, not Cap, not The Punisher; Spider-Man, he's not supposed to be Snake fucking Plisskin, he's a slightly awkward smart-ass.
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2010-02-02 14:02:33
Dr. Kronner
I get that, which is why I never had a problem with Tobey. But F-Ron makes Tobey look like fucking Dolph Lungren or something. Admitted this is more about Effron than Spiderman
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2010-02-02 15:02:20
Fisticufflinks
Watch CRANK and CRANK2, Edge of Darkness, 40 Inch Chest, No Country For Old Men, Live Free or Die Hard, etc ... chest hair ... all of them. But what the fuck does any of that matter for? Chest Hair? Really? I shave that shit off! You can't see my tattoos as well through it.
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2010-02-02 15:02:28
Norman
Boom. I'm with Yaguara on this. Preach on Doc.
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2010-02-02 15:02:35
yaguara
Actually, I am inclined to agree with Kronner on this. We are feminizing our masculine heroes. Case in point, when was the last time you saw a male lead other than our all-singing, all-dancing wolverine with actual chest hair? The closest I have seen to a true masculine hero in films recently has been Denzel Washington in The Book of Eli.
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2010-02-02 16:02:00
Dr. Kronner
I like Damon, but he's an action star like Affleck is an action star. Outside of BOURNE what can you really point to. And Norton is awesome, but not what I'd call an action star. Colin Farrell sucks.
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2010-02-02 16:02:08
Fisticufflinks
Sorry ... 44 Inch Chest.
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2010-02-02 16:02:16
Dr. Kronner
EDGE OF DARKNESS and LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD are the movies I'm talking about. But those are 80's action stars. Gibson and Willis are both old enough to be my dad. The question is where the next crop of these guys come from. Gibson, Willis, Stalone, and Schwarzenegger ruled the 80s and 90s. Now we need someone new. Looked like it could be the Rock, then he signed on with Disney...
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2010-02-02 16:02:41
Fisticufflinks
What about Matt Damon? Personally, I think Leonardo Decaprio is the new tough guy in Hollywood. We have guys like Colin Farrell, Edward Norton, etc. These guys are the new Terrance Stamps and Lee Marvins.
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2010-02-02 17:02:42
MUNKRAWK
Crank was awesome, Crank 2 sucked on horse cock.
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2010-02-02 18:02:58
Fisticufflinks
What's yer beef with Farrell, Doc?
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2010-02-03 00:02:10
SupaScoot
Check out my avatar Fist, thats MY beef with Farrell
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2010-02-03 00:02:49
SupaScoot
What a fuckin goon
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2010-02-03 07:02:59
Fisticufflinks
You guys and your animated AVATARS ... you slow my computer down like 100%. It shuts down and doesn't even open the page sometimes. They are funny, but make my life hell.
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2010-02-03 16:02:40
MUNKRAWK
lol, a new computer is in order, and I fucking hate Farrell too!
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2010-02-03 21:02:50
bubaroni
@supascoot-then he has to DO A BUNCH OF SHIT to gain credibility, you don't cast efron to do a movie like this assuming someone like me or doc is going to see it, he's going to carry his fan base from HSM over to this gritty action flick then lose that fan base; and for spiderman, he's too fucking pretty to be peter parker, you're tellin me if you chicks saw him in highschool they would laugh when he gets a swirly?
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2010-02-04 07:02:37
Fisticufflinks
MUNKRAWK ... na, I really just need to clean up the hard drive and de-dust the inside of the 'tower'. Then she'll be good to go for another 2-4 years ... depending on how fast tech develops. But Still GODDAMN you all!
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2010-02-04 12:02:14
MUNKRAWK
Fisti, I don't care what you say, you can't possibly be mad at my new avatar :)
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2010-02-05 02:02:44
Ranger6
I agree with Dr. Kronner about the masculinity dying out. Heroes used to be tough and older men now they gotta be effeminate and young. It also has a lot to do with Japan's influence and anime. Studies have also been done to show that women nowadays prefer these types of guys, there's biology behind it about settling down with a mate and all but anyways yeah.
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2010-02-05 17:02:32
bubaroni
i blame it on birth control pills.
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