Comic Filmmakers Trash 'Watchmen'

By Zombiezeus on 06.25.2009

At the recent Los Angeles Film Festival, a trio of comic-movie professionals waxed philosophic on some much-beloved (and much-derided) comic book movies, including "Watchmen", "X-Men 2", and "A History Of Violence". Fittingly, the writer of "Watchmen" and "X-2" (including a slew of other upcoming comics projects) was on the panel: Zak Penn. Joining him were fellow writer Josh "A History Of Violence" Olson and Radical Publishing’s Barry Levine.

Zak was the most forthcoming and candid at the panel–admitting his own writing failure with "Elektra":

"We blew Elektra, …We blew chunks. It should have been R-rated, like Sin City. … It should have been La Femme Nikita: She is an assassin, and you can’t do that unless it is R-rated. I should have known that Fox would not make an R-rated movie, so it’s probably my fault. They denuded it."

He also praised Bryan Singer:

"Bryan Singer deserves the credit that we’ve reached today where movies like Dark Knight are getting nominated for awards. He did the science fiction incarnation of these movies. These are not comic-book scripts; they are science fiction movies that are just based on comic books. And Bryan Singer is no fan of these movies. … Yet no one else adapts The Matrix or the The Fly better than we do."

And yknow what? I think I agree–to an extent. It was a cumulative thing, this ramp-up to the current Golden Age of Superhero Movies. And in MY humble opinion, it began with the surprisingly well-done "Blade", way back in 1998. THAT movie took a basically-non-existent comic character, updated him in clever and vital ways, and entertained the holy hell out of us. That was the first modern drop in the bucket for modern superhero movies, when people started saying ‘hey, just because they wear capes (or trenchcoats) and are super-strong doesn’t mean the movies have to be inheritly ridiculous (coughcoughtheDonnerSupermanmoviescoughcough)’.

Then came "The Matrix" a year later (that dastardly clever hodgepodge of a thousand other concepts and comics and ideas), which was hailed as a ‘comic book movie’ even though it wasn’t directly BASED on a comic. It again showed us an intriguing, cooler-than-cool world where ordinary people found themselves capable of doing improbable things (every superhero origin story ever) and it FELT like a comic book. Naturally, that movie was fantastically successful, which helped the bottom line of the similarly-attired mutants in the first "X-Men", which again took a more grounded and well-rounded look at the world of the fantastic, and yes, since that movie WAS directly based on a well-known comic, it can be popularly hailed as the first direct comic book movie to point out that comic books can a good movie make. And here we are smack-dab in the middle of Comic Book Movie Nirvana.

A Nirvana which COULD have reached its apex with the adaptation of the medium’s Holy Grail: "Watchmen", and didn’t, because the movie was just plain blah. Penn and Olson even address the issue of co-screenwriter David Hayter’s plea to "Watchmen" fans:

"The panel were pressed for their thoughts on the recent Watchmen movie and about screenwriter David Hayter’s editorial plea for fans to come see the movie, lest its failure spell doom for the genre. (Hayter worked with Penn on X2.) ‘That was silly to say that if not enough people went to Watchmen, it would stop all the other movies,’ Penn said. ‘No one told me to change anything because of the failure of Watchmen.’

Olson chimed in, ‘That was a candy-ass thing to do.’

And Levine said, ‘And there’s that 25-foot blue penis.’

‘Now it’s true that this was a big nostalgia trip for me, and for that reason it succeeded for me,’ Penn added. ‘That’s not how you should write, though, out of nostalgia for a moment in your comic-book history.’

Refreshing to hear Hollywooders admitting to mistakes, isn’t it? Head to scifiwire to read the whole synopsis of the panel, including Levine’s thoughts on Radical’s upcoming movies, right here.

18 Comments


 
2009-06-25 12:06:30
Zemitsu
I didn't know that so many people felt Watchmen was a failure. I quite liked it and all my friends seemed to as well. It wasn't perfect, but I thought that there were some story changes and additions that actually improved the flow of the story in some areas.

 
2009-06-25 12:06:57
sillysully7
Where did they trash Watchmen?

 
2009-06-25 13:06:20
Stranger Danger
I don't understand the vitrol towards Watchmen either. It was the best possible Watchmen film that could have been made without straying away from the source material. Otherwise we would have ended up with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w

 
2009-06-25 13:06:50
Zemitsu
I find it funny that Zak Penn is praising Singer, but then states, "That’s not how you should write, though, out of nostalgia...". Isn't that what Singer did on Superman Returns and why that movie sucked? He didn't write it, but it was his nostalgic vision of Superman based on Donner's original Superman movies that hurt the new movie more than anything else.

 
2009-06-25 16:06:00
Fisticufflinks
Man, I think Watchmen was a very solid and faithful (to source material) film. No movie is perfect, but Watchmen did it's best to capture what it could of the Books/Trade and it did it well!

 
2009-06-25 16:06:53
TheGameShark
I agree with a few of you guys; I actually quite enjoyed Watchmen. I don't understand what peoples problems are besides male nudity which is pretty stupid to me.

 
2009-06-25 17:06:05
Conmaniac89
r to be made into movies.

 
2009-06-25 17:06:44
Conmaniac89
I love how the male nudity is what upsets people, oh god what are we gonna do? The guy has a penis (as well as half of the human population), get over it! What sucked about the Watchmen was the slo-mo & speed-ups, plot holes and significant changes from the source material. And Singer is in no way responsible for comic book movies today, Tim Burton is. He always has been and always will be the one that brought realism, legitimacy and practicality into comic adaptions. Donner tried, but made Supe

 
2009-06-25 17:06:45
Conmaniac89
rman way to fantasy based and far fetched. It was Batman's success in '89 that revolutionized the industry. Singer, on the other hand, just got lucky. His directing and so called vision did not make X-men popular. He strayed from the source material and hated the comics to begin with. He is not what made the movie. He is the reason we got adaptions like Daredevil, Elektra and Ang Lee's Hulk. He made it seem like comics needed to be changed into these characterless latex wearing boneheads in orde

 
2009-06-25 17:06:55
Zemitsu
At the time, in '89, I definitely loved Tim Burton's Batman and it did re-energize the legitmacy of doing good comic-book movies as Conmaniac89 said. Just like Blade did later on for Marvel, but looking back on it now, Burton's Batman was wrong in very obvious ways that show he wasn't really a faithful fan to the character, but that's just my opinion. I still really like Burton, though.

 
2009-06-25 19:06:39
theHeadCase
The only problems with Watchmen were the removal of major plot points replaced with extreme amounts of sex and violence. Other than that the movie was exactly what I wanted it to be. I don't really need to see a guy get his bones punched out of his flesh and Nite Owl hump Silk Spectre for 8 minutes to enjoy a movie.

 
2009-06-25 20:06:36
davef
don't forget- Dark City came out a year before the Matrix, and it kicks arse still. You can see MANY similarities in them. Even City of Lost Children seems to borrow the trench coated white people. Plus, it has Melissa George in the buff. Need I say more?

 
2009-06-25 21:06:48
Zombiezeus
A lot of people are wondering what problems, exactly, we have with the "Watchmen" movie. I refer you to my comprehensive review, which explains my thoughts in full: http://www.bamkapow.com/the-only-watchmen-review-you-need-to-read-2588-p.html

 
2009-06-26 00:06:46
ddmb
@Zombiezeus Agree with a lot of what you said in the review, but you're incredibly off the mark on Rorschach's origin. The defining moment was the kidnapped girl, not Kitty Genovese.

 
2009-06-26 04:06:06
MrSteak
... It wasn't 100% accurate, but they didn't take nearly as many creative liberties as Penn does when he writes a screenplay. Penn wrote some of the WORST comic book movies EVER! It's amazing how terrible these movies are, yet they still make a ton of money based on the characters/marketing alone! (Cause we all know it's not the shitty writing.)

 
2009-06-26 04:06:45
MrSteak
I like how Penn admits fault with 'Elektra' but not any of his other comic book film abortions (X3). He clearly has NO passion for the comics or their characters, and does absolutely no research in writing. 'Watchmen' wasn't perfect, but it was a realistic portrayal of the characters in the novel....

 
2009-06-26 12:06:52
shauntacular
Watchmen didn't fail, i think alot of people(including me) were expecting a much better movie.

 
2009-07-06 13:07:11
The Jason
When ever you adapt a dense piece of literature, whether it's Watchmen or Moby Dick you are taking a risk. Critical praise of a book does not promise commercial success as a film. I just feel that too many people pinned their hopes on a film that is difinitevly a graphic novel.

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